Dak... I need your help sir

Papa Shango · 02-15-2006, 08:48 PM

A good general ignorance question is 'How many Kings visited Jesus when he was born'

People natuarally say 3 because three gifts were given to christ at his birth. Am i right in assuming that the bible doesnt mention the amount of people who came.. just the amount of gifts that were delivered? so we could have had one King bringing all three gifts maybe?

Whats your take on that sir.

Another question would be what Animals were present at the birth of jesus.. people say Sheep, an Ass, cow etc. But is it correct that the bible doesnt mention he was born in a stable, all it does is mention he was born in a manger.. so people then naturally assumed it was a stable.. as Did the great lover of animals St Francis of Assisi when he created nativity scene in approx the 13th century.. in a stable, with animals around it, and that has now become the norm in regards to christs birth.

I dont want to argue religion here.. far from it, what is the truth about the above questions?

Dakstang · 02-15-2006, 09:08 PM

Well Papa Shango sir, It says in the Bible that Herod the King sent Wise Men to search for Jesus and that they presented him with gold, frankincense, and myrrh. So I would take that to mean more than one by it saying men, and they. So that is my take on that.

Correct. It never says that he was born in a stable, just born and placed in a manger. But that would be the obvious place for a manger to be and they were looking for shelter so that is the common interpretation. As far as I can tell I can find no mention of animals being present during the birth, but I guess that is just another assumption since he was placed in a manger.

Papa Shango · 02-15-2006, 09:28 PM

Thanks Dak.. appreciate it. lets hope everyone forgets about this now so i can ask the questions again in a few months! :happy:

Oh.. and on the subject of Herod, do you know what his wifes name is?

airr233 · 02-15-2006, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa Shango

Thanks Dak.. appreciate it. lets hope everyone forgets about this now so i can ask the questions again in a few months! :happy:

Oh.. and on the subject of Herod, do you know what his wifes name is?

Which wife would you want to know about? He had quite a few.

Dakstang · 02-15-2006, 09:43 PM

Mark 6:17

For Herod himself had given orders to have John arrested, and he had him bound and put in prison. He did this because of Herodias, his brother Philip's wife, whom he had married. 18For John had been saying to Herod, "It is not lawful for you to have your brother's wife."

Looks like according to that her name was Herodias who at one time was his brother's wife.

That is the only reference to Herod's wife I can find.

Papa Shango · 02-15-2006, 09:55 PM

Ha! Apparently he had a wife named DORIS!

http://www.channel4.com/history/micr...h/herod04.html

Dakstang · 02-15-2006, 09:59 PM

Wow. Yeah looks like he had 10 wives all together. It must be in the Bible, I just can't find it at the moment. Oh well. Herod is mostly mentioned in the books of Mattew, Mark, Luke, and John. I guess the other wives were mentioned in some of the earlier books of the Bible.

Papa Shango · 02-15-2006, 10:00 PM

LOL I jsut cant get over the fact he had a wife called DORIS lol

Apologies to anyone who has a mother called Doris, btw

Papa Shango · 02-15-2006, 10:01 PM

Oh Dak, are there any history books that run concurrently to the bible? or is the Bible the only source of history from way back when

Dakstang · 02-15-2006, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa Shango

Oh Dak, are there any history books that run concurrently to the bible? or is the Bible the only source of history from way back when

Not really sure about that Shango. I am sure there has to be something, but I just don't know.

02-15-2006, 08:48 PM	#1 (permalink)
Papa Shango Senior Monk Status: Offline Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,891 vBookie Cash: 500 Rep Power: 7	Dak... I need your help sir A good general ignorance question is 'How many Kings visited Jesus when he was born' People natuarally say 3 because three gifts were given to christ at his birth. Am i right in assuming that the bible doesnt mention the amount of people who came.. just the amount of gifts that were delivered? so we could have had one King bringing all three gifts maybe? Whats your take on that sir. Another question would be what Animals were present at the birth of jesus.. people say Sheep, an Ass, cow etc. But is it correct that the bible doesnt mention he was born in a stable, all it does is mention he was born in a manger.. so people then naturally assumed it was a stable.. as Did the great lover of animals St Francis of Assisi when he created nativity scene in approx the 13th century.. in a stable, with animals around it, and that has now become the norm in regards to christs birth. I dont want to argue religion here.. far from it, what is the truth about the above questions?

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02-15-2006, 09:28 PM	#3 (permalink)
Papa Shango Senior Monk Status: Offline Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,891 vBookie Cash: 500 Rep Power: 7	Thanks Dak.. appreciate it. lets hope everyone forgets about this now so i can ask the questions again in a few months! :happy: Oh.. and on the subject of Herod, do you know what his wifes name is?

02-15-2006, 09:55 PM	#6 (permalink)
Papa Shango Senior Monk Status: Offline Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,891 vBookie Cash: 500 Rep Power: 7	Ha! Apparently he had a wife named DORIS! http://www.channel4.com/history/micr...h/herod04.html

02-15-2006, 10:00 PM	#8 (permalink)
Papa Shango Senior Monk Status: Offline Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,891 vBookie Cash: 500 Rep Power: 7	LOL I jsut cant get over the fact he had a wife called DORIS lol Apologies to anyone who has a mother called Doris, btw

02-15-2006, 10:01 PM	#9 (permalink)
Papa Shango Senior Monk Status: Offline Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,891 vBookie Cash: 500 Rep Power: 7	Oh Dak, are there any history books that run concurrently to the bible? or is the Bible the only source of history from way back when

Dak... I need your help sir

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