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Old 12-08-2005, 02:26 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Secret CIA prisons

Condoleezza Rice seems to be trying to tough it out when questioned about the CIA flights using European air fascililties, and "secret CIA prisons" (not so secret anymore).

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Ms Rice reiterated that the US does not carry out or condone torture.

The CIA flights and reports that the US spy agency ran secret prisons in Europe is set to dominate Ms Rice's tour...

Ms Rice has refused to address claims of secret prisons where suspects are said to have been interrogated without reference to international law.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4501948.stm

Certainly in the UK goverment, and probably elsewhere, people are unhappy with what is coming out - and what isn't.

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A new all-party group on "extraordinary renditions" will meet on Monday. Its leaders accuse the government of evading key questions on the issue
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4487856.stm

And what Ms Rice has said has been carefully worded - what you read from it depends on how "torture" is defined. Almost Clintonian.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4499528.stm

This isn't going to help win over people in the Middle East either.

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Old 12-08-2005, 05:14 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 12-08-2005, 11:30 PM   #3 (permalink)
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This whole issue would be a lot less scary if the indivudals they were picking up had actual terrorist ties. When they just pick people off the street, and that's exactly what they've done in the past, and start torturing them you get a lot of outrage. This administration has absolutely no depth when it comes to this war. As Chewy mentioned, it's not winning over anyone in the Middle East. That would be fine if we were doing something to benefit the war but picking up people for no reason whatsoever is just careless. These people come back eventually and they tell everyone of the crimes America has committed---that's happened several times now.

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Old 12-08-2005, 11:31 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Old 12-08-2005, 11:35 PM   #5 (permalink)
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C-Span, PBS, and 60 minutes had a show about this last year. They interviewed a few people who were picked up and they had absolutely no connection to terrorism whatsoever.

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Oh o.k. I wouldn't doubt this is happening and I am not about to defend it. But I don't think it can be blamed on this administration. I would say that this has been common practice for the United States for quite some time now.

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Oh o.k. I wouldn't doubt this is happening and I am not about to defend it. But I don't think it can be blamed on this administration. I would say that this has been common practice for the United States for quite some time now.
I don't know how far back it dates but I know Clinton used it as well.

The responsibility is clearly more on this administration though because we are at war and the scrutiny is much more damaging then it once was.

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I don't know how far back it dates but I know Clinton used it as well.

The responsibility is clearly more on this administration though because we are at war and the scrutiny is much more damaging then it once was.
Yeah. It does look bad on President Bush.

I wouldn't doubt at all that these tactics have been being used since WWII.

Again I am not supporting, justifying, or condoning it. But really, who is going to stop us. What do we really care what other countries think of us?

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Old 12-08-2005, 11:55 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Who cares if our goverment does it? I would be surprise if most countires didn't have secret prisons and didn't conduct torture. I'm not condoning it, but it's not that big of a deal since it's not like other countries aren't doing the same thing..

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