64th Anniversary of the attack at Pearl Harbor

Miakal

What do you think will happen if Japan has further economic problems? What if this bird flu shit goes wild? What if a flury of other possible problems arise? They will want their money back.

That means we'll have to make even more cuts in our budgets and fuck up our own economy to pay them back. They have us in a bad position. It may not be a military might issue, it's certainly not something out of spite on their part, but they hold a tremendous amount of power over the United States.

The same can be said with a lot of other countries but Japan has been one of our biggest lenders, since those famous Reagan years.

AudioSavior

So you think that they would start a war because they are going broke? Where would they get the money for that? lol.

Thew bird flu has been around for like 20 years and it isn't going to break out. That is just CNN being dickheads and wanting something to put on the news.

Invictus

That is not true at all. If I see one more person type that phrase I will hunt you down and kill you. The First World War was won long before the Americans got involved, the Germans had no hope of holding out after the Battle of the Somme.

World War Two, the German War Effort was never strong enough to takeout Vichy France and was never gonna take over Britain because they tried and failed long before the Americans decided to enter the fray. The British could have made a better landing using lesser numbers to establish a beach head at Dunkirk but Eisenhower wanted allt he pomp and circumstance of a big invasion fleet which was pointless yet effective.

As for Pearl Harbour, well the United States asked for it and they got what they wanted, they simply did expect the attack to place in the manner and surprise in which it did. Never confuse yourself and believe that the Japanese one day got out of bed and headed for America. They were provoked big time through the US sanctions on Japanese imports which were essential for their country to survive. Once they invaded Manchuria, the US simply wanted an excuse to wade in which they did. It was a sad day but worse things have happened in war. Much worse. Lets see if there is a commerative thread in June.

Dr. Giganto

lol...stuff like that is what made me call you "intense" a while back

AudioSavior

I didn't even see that comment. I'll carry the ammo.

Miakal

I'm not a World War II buff like you are (and honestly don't even care too much about the actual war aspects, I'm more interested in the characters) but isn't it true that the Brits were closely reaching bankruptcy just prior to the US entering?

I remember that finale letter Churchill wrote to FDR about how the bombings and the war were sending them into bankruptcy and to please enter the war.

Miakal

PS. I often say that the Americans saved the Brits on this board but I never meant it, I was just saying that because I know it bothers you people to no end. And that's my ultimate goal in life. I'm Andrew Jackson.

Invictus

Yeah they were going into Bankrupcy but it was not going to happen until mid '44 and it happened anyway when America asked for her money back so it was more a concern of what might happen rather than a direct problem starring them in the face. Eitherway, GB would never have been defeated by the Germans because Sea Lion was never going to work unless the Luftwaffe were capable of producing masses upon masses of air strikes which was never gonna happen.

Churchill wanted FDR and the US in the war, no doubt about it, the resources, men and materials were immense, but to say that the US won the war for the Allies is obtuse and inaccurate, Vichy France was never gonna fall due to the mass of resistence and soon enough when Russia sorted her shit out she was bound the steam roll through the Rhine anyway.

bbb

What about the role that Stalin played in defeating Hitler?


And to our history buff, a question that bugged me for a while. Since you seem such a know it all you might have some ideas:
Stalin and the Soviet Union invaded Poland shortly after Hitler and the Nazis did Why did GB and France declared war on Germany and not on the Soviet Union?

Miakal

I don't think UK or the Soviet Union would've had a good time with Japan. They had a lot of biological weapons in the works, ones that only needed a little bit more time to come into being, and that time would've been needed for both countries to defeat Germany. Of course, with American intelligence---the best in the world---we probably were wrong on that too. It may have been a cover up to drop the bomb and secure power against the Soviets.

I believe Churchill wanted to fight Stalin over Poland but the U.S. talked him down.