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Rep Power: 97 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Germans unlucky incest!! Lifted this story from the Telegraph here in the UK. Patrick Stübing was four years old when his parents put him up for adoption in East Germany, unable to cope with a young child. Nearly 20 years later Patrick began to trace his birth family in Leipzig - a fateful decision that would eventually see him torn apart by incestuous love. Joy at his reunion with his mother, Annemarie, turned to sorrow six months later when she died of a heart attack. Drawn together in grief, Patrick and his birth sister, Susan, found themselves falling in love and decided to have children. Now Patrick is in jail and his sister faces custody because the German courts have finally lost patience with their five-year relationship. The couple, who have four children, said that they did not plan to have a sexual union. "We fell in love and there was nothing we could do about it," Susan said. Controversially, the courts at first showed leniency. In April 2002, Patrick, 28, was sentenced to a year in jail, suspended for two years. But at the end of last year, with the relationship continuing, he was ordered to serve nearly two years. By then the couple had a son, Eric, four, and two daughters, Sarah, two, and Nancy, one. In April this year, however, Susan, 21, gave birth to another daughter, Sophia. She refused to name the father but DNA testing revealed that it was Patrick. His sentence is likely to be doubled and the public prosecutor is also considering legal action against Susan. "In the worst-case scenario, my client could have to serve another four years," said Patrick's lawyer, Joachim Frömling. Susan's lawyer, Sven Kuhne, hoped that she might escape with probation. "When she gave birth to her first two children she was still an adolescent, under 18. She loves her children," he said. "Neither Patrick nor his sister really understand why their relationship is causing so much trouble for them. Susan keeps asking me why the state is getting involved when it is simply two people who love each other." The children are all in foster care. Eric and Sarah are mentally impaired, probably because of inbreeding. Aged three, Eric was unable to speak or run. The other children are too young for their condition to be known. Susan is determined to get them back and says she will stand by Patrick in prison. The case has sharply divided public opinion. Alice Miller, a leading Swiss psychoanalyst, said it was difficult to know why blood-relatives experienced mutual sexual attraction. "There are no natural instincts that drive people to incest, which is why the majority of people find it hard to understand," she said. Ulrike Dierkes, 46, the chairman of an association for children of incestuous relationships, said: "A healthy person doesn't need to search for that kind of love from a brother or sister." She believes that the authorities should have separated the couple. "The problem of incest is not solved simply by putting the children into care," she said. Judge Bernd Jaehkel rejected the criticism: "A court cannot prevent love. Only Susan and Patrick can solve the situation by realising that what they are doing is wrong." This is pretty tragic really, we can't choose who we fall in love with I guess but the children are probably all going to suffer from mental diseases. Just thought I'd share this nugget of happiness with you all. If you had been the judge...what would have been your call?? | |
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Rep Power: 10 ![]() ![]() | As Jesus said in South Park, "I'm not touching that with a 40 foot pole" i think it's tough one to call, I mean yes it's disgusting and wrong, but the important thing to consider would be the future of those children. They'd probably need more attention given their unique family structure. So if the best thing for these kids is to have the father jailed and to be put in foster homes, I'm all for it. | |
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I agree with your points though. These are a couple of sick individuals. I have no problem with any kind of sickness between consenting adults in privacy but to bring kids into it knowing the risks full well was unforgiveable. | ||
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