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Old 08-04-2005, 12:50 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Old 08-04-2005, 12:59 PM   #22 (permalink)
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^^ haha, nah you don't have to worry about me getting mad.
but I do think gay tendencies most often are nature over nurture- not 100% as my case can atest, but I do think it's usually nature. who the hell would choose this, other than those gay guys on tv who choose it for attention
edit: I mean the queer eye guys

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Old 08-04-2005, 01:10 PM   #23 (permalink)
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No I do not believe it can happen naturally in Humans.
I in the Bible is states something to the effect of that man was created to reign over the animals of the earth. That insinuates that animals are inferior to man. It also states that God created man in his own image. That also implies that man is a higher being.

Why are you bringing the bible into my question? Can you not think for yourself? Your statement has nothing to do what what I asked. Leave the bible out of it for a minute and see if you can answer my question without quoting the bible.

If it is a natural thing for some creatures to take part in homosexuallity, and humans can be homosexual,how is it different? Just because animals are inferior, does that have to mean we can't have similar charistics as them?

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Old 08-04-2005, 01:12 PM   #24 (permalink)
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The problem I have with gay marriage is that marriage in general is a religious sacrament. Now, if this religious sacrament is intended to be between a man and a woman, then gay people should not be allowed to be "married". I also feel it's the same way if two atheists get married.

However, I recognize that gay people do love each other very much, and I see no problem why a gay couple should not be allowed to live together, or even have a ceremony celebrating their love for each other. Just not a "marriage" per se.

I also think, to accomodate for this, the government should stop categorizing people as "married" and "single", but rather use another term to describe an individual who is in a loving bond with another person, and to treat gay couples (and atheist couples, for that matter) the same way as you treat a religious straght couple
You don't have to go to a church or get married bu a religious person though.

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Old 08-04-2005, 01:31 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Why are you bringing the bible into my question? Can you not think for yourself? Your statement has nothing to do what what I asked. Leave the bible out of it for a minute and see if you can answer my question without quoting the bible.

If it is a natural thing for some creatures to take part in homosexuallity, and humans can be homosexual,how is it different? Just because animals are inferior, does that have to mean we can't have similar charistics as them?

I cannot "leave" the Bible out of it as you say because I believe what the Bible says. How can I leave it out? I refuse to leave the Bible out of it. Just as you refuse to bring the Bible in the conversation.


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Old 08-04-2005, 01:43 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I do not believe that animals can commit sins they don't have souls or the intelligence to know about anything like that.
I'd have to disagree, Dakstang. I look at my husky Angel and she is the most compassionate, loving, caring dog I've ever seen. She also knows when she's done something wrong (after all, owners are supposed to train their pets as to what is wrong and what is right). Animals have souls, all living things do (well, not so sure about plants).

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Old 08-04-2005, 01:53 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I cannot "leave" the Bible out of it as you say because I believe what the Bible says. How can I leave it out? I refuse to leave the Bible out of it. Just as you refuse to bring the Bible in the conversation.

But I didn't ask the bible, I asked you for your take on it. Not what the bible says about it. Why would I bring the bible into the conversation? That is like saying I wouldn't bring a garden hose into the conversation. I am not asking you a religious question.

I understand that the bible has it's say on the matter but I am not referring to it.

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Old 08-04-2005, 03:11 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Right but the basis for his oponion is what he's been taught from the Bible. It would be like you saying "well I agree with so-and-so when they say thus-and-such." Just because someone/something else has said it before and you agree with it, that doesn't mean it's not the oponion that you hold to.

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Right but the basis for his oponion is what he's been taught from the Bible. It would be like you saying "well I agree with so-and-so when they say thus-and-such." Just because someone/something else has said it before and you agree with it, that doesn't mean it's not the oponion that you hold to.

That is not how I saw it at all. It sounds like he believes it only because it says so in the bible, not that he agrees with what is being said. It comes across as though he believes it BECAUSE the bible says so.

I wanted to know what HE thought of what I was saying which had nothing to do with anything that was in the bible. He took examples of something different in the bible and applied it to his answer.

It is like if I asked you some random question and you started quoting the bible as your anwer.

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Old 08-04-2005, 03:29 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Well I guess I should throw my two pennies worth in too huh?

If people want to be gay, let them be gay. If people want to kill other people, let them kill other people. If people want to steal goldfish, let them steal goldfish. If someone does not hold to the beliefs of Christianity then Christians have no right to impose those beliefs on them. Is it still sin? Yep. But do they care? No, cuz they don't hold to the Christian belief system. However, if you are a Christian and you are involved in homosexuality, then you're committing sin; sin that you need to get straightned out because you say that you are a beliver of Christ. With that said, let me say this, I think it was The Dude that mentioned that God is disappointed with sin but that dosen't mean that he can't love. Good point. I'll give an example: a father tells his kid to not set the family cat on fire. The kid does it anyway. The father is angry and disciplines the kid. Does that mean that the father does not love the kid anymore? No, the father still loves the kid. He displined the kid, he didn't disown him. That's how God is. We do dumb stuff and we pay for it but that dosen't mean that God dosen't love us. I'll finish with this old Christian cliche: "Love the sinner; hate the sin."

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