Intelligent Design

Jackie Pies

well then Dak, why don't you go enroll in some university classes that teach on biology, geology, and other various sciences. oh wait, I bet the teachers are all crazy left wing biased bastards who are trying to warp our children's minds and turn them socialist. yeah, that's probably it

Dakstang

WC's Resident Redneck

I have taken Biology classes in college. Still didn't provide any facts. It is taught as theory which is exactly what it is until proven otherwise.

Miakal

You don't even understand what Scientific Theory is. It's impossible to debate you.

Jackie Pies

true that, Miakal, have you ever seen a show called Bullshit. the show sucks now, but their first season was very good and they had a show on creationism vs. evolution.

it reminds me of this thread to a tee

Dakstang

WC's Resident Redneck

I am a narrow minded redneck from West Virginia I suppose because I will not accept Evolutionism as fact. You all are intelligent because you do the same only with Creationism. That sounds a little messed up if you ask me.

Miakal

Yes, it's a great show.

Dak, Scientific theory can be proven by scientific facts. Like I said before, almost everything that we have in our lives and that we accept as true is based on some scientific theory.

Creationism is not scientific theory. You can't take it in a lab and test it and show evidence of truth in it. Hence, it makes absolutely no sense to include it in a science class.

Dakstang

WC's Resident Redneck

I can't argue you with you there. Religion should not be taught in a Science class!! There is nothing wrong with teaching Evolution as a theory. But it should not be presented as fact.

Jackie Pies

http://sweetjesusihatebilloreilly.com/

Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, and the National Academy of Sciences. Peas in a pod, baby.
Peas in a pod. Last night, Bill was only too happy to let us know just how gross and Hitler-y our
boys at the NAS really are:

“While speaking to some Texas reporters, President Bush opined that he believes public
schools should expose students to both evolution and the so-called intelligent design belief
concerning creation.�

(…)

“Whatever your belief, it should be respected. But the National Academy of Sciences and
the American Association for the Advancement of Science both reject intelligent design and
don't want it mentioned in science classes. That, in my opinion, is fascism.�

Fascism. Now that’s an ugly word. It brings to mind mass murder, totalitarianism and teachers
not covering unscientific theories in science class.

Of course, the only reason the National Academy of Sciences and the American Association for
the Advancement of Science reject intelligent design is that it’s not a scientific theory. For one
thing, it’s not falsifiable -- which makes it not science.

That’s not fascism. It’s common sense -- in the same way that not teaching beach volleyball in
organic chemistry is common sense. Let religion be covered in churches and religious
schools. Oh, that’s right, all the churches have been shut down by our fascist government. An
openly religious man can’t even get hired in Washington these days.

For shame, America. For shame.

Dakstang

WC's Resident Redneck

I don't really see how much of a choice they are giving the kids if all they do is present one theory. I think they should at least have to give a brief overview of sorts of other major theories.

So this is how a Science class would go: The teacher would get up and teach about the theory of Evolution. What if theres a question if there are any other theories. The teacher would have to say "Yes, there are other theories about how we got here but it is against the Constitution to tell you about any of those. I can only tell you about Evolution". That gives the kids a lot of choices doesn't it. They might as well just tell them what to believe while they are at it. Sounds a bit Fascict to me!

Jackie Pies

it wouldn't be against the constitution to not teach those unscientific theories, what they want is that it would be against the (state) board of education to teach evolution without teaching these nonscientific ones. it would force teachers to cover these theories which are NOT science. it's fine for them to be taught in religion classes or philosophy sure. it's just saying that these NONscientific theories should not be HAVE to be taught in science classes.
you agreed w/ that earlier, that they shouldn't teach creationism and id in science didn't you. it would not be outlawed to mention those nonscientific theories. it just is unneccesary to teach it.
teachers can tell them what creationism and id are, that's fine, but they should not teache it like it is science.