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DMW

Anyone watch any of this tonight. I'm thinking Miakal, and possibly Sader are probably the only people that would have other than myself.

Bill Clinton was pretty impressive tonight. Hilary also gave a pretty good speech, obviously laying the groundwork for her own White House bid. You know she must be secretly hoping that Kerry loses so she can run in 2008. If Kerry wins, should could potentially have to wait 16 years before she gets a chance.

One thing that bothered me a bit was the ranting on ad nauseum about John Kerry, the Vietnam warrior. This quote from John Kerry taken during the Clinton campaign is why:

AudioSavior

I loved when Carter said,"and shows up for duty" lol

Danny Diamond

Founder/Admin

I watched it. It is literally about 2 miles away from my office. The protesters marched right past my building today.

Bill Clinton is an excellent speaker.


Its almost weird how much people love this guy years after his term is over. This guy blatantly lied about his affair and everybody seemed to be cool with it. I personally am one of them too. I dont really care what is going on behind closed doors as long as he is running my country well. I also think a LOT of people made a tone of cash while he was the President.

I was very impressed with Bill Clinton tonight. His wife on the other hand.............. :roll:

Randy Orton

WC's Resident Alchoholic

i would never watch this shit.

Miakal

Carter was a pretty good speaker on Monday as well.

I agree with you DMW but what can you expect? It's politics. And Kerry is a flip-flop.

I wonder how effective his service is. I do wish it were more effective for a candidate. I do believe that if Bush had actually been to war he would actually have some wisdom regarding it. However, I don't think a majority of America cares what John Kerry or George Bush Jr. did.

I thought Ron Reagan was impressive last night. What did you think? He wasn't over the top, which would've killed his message, but just right.

It's too bad another Republican President son can't speak that smooth.

I'm looking forward to seeing Edwards tonight.

DMW

I was surprisingly very impressed with Ron Reagan. I was surprised because I quite dislike him as a pundit on MSNBC, as he's generally inflamatory and obnoxious, but he delivered a very solid message at the convention, and didn't allow politics to cloud it. He made a very convincing case, one that I think that the Bush adminstration is going to have no choice but to concede to, at least in part.

DMW

Well, it's finally over. Overall all I think it was a pretty well constructed event. With the notable exception of Al Sharpton, I thought it was all calm, collected, and positive. I thought the highlights were Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, and John Edwards. Kerry was good, but from this non-Democrat view point, he was overshadowed by these people.

I do, however, think Kerry is making a big mistake by trying to "out-Iraq" the current administration. Kerry really doesn't have much footing on this issue as his voting record with regard to the war is highly hypocritical. The GOP has put together a Michael Moore-esque film that I think they will be showing at their convention, with a pretty damning collection of video clips. You can find it here.

http://www.gop.com/News/MultiMedia/V...spx?ID=868&T=2

He seems to be trying to take Republican talking points and making them his, and I think the Bush campaign is going to completely tear him apart. I think over the next couple months we're going to see that video clip of Kerry saying "I actually voted for the 87 billion before I voted against it" more than anyone surely wants to.

Who knows, Kerry is a tenacious politician, and he may be able to pull this off. I think he should concentrate more on Democratic staples, such as jobs, healthcare... anything that he actually has a firm stance on.

As an aside, I think the Democrats are pathetic for trying to bully Ralph Nader out of the election. For years and years, the Dems have been moving to the right to try and steal votes from Republicans, and now the far left is fighting back because they feel abandoned. Instead of trying to figure out why up to 10% of liberals would rather vote for Nader and doing something to fix it, they're just trying to bully him into submission and make him a non-factor. You can't have it both ways. When the Republicans went too far to the center, they started losing votes to Ross Perot and the Reform party. How about they try and do something to appease those voters rather than bitching and moaning until he goes away.

Miakal

I thought John Kerry did a pretty good job for John Kerry. I was impressed.

It would be a mistake for Kerry not to try and "out-Iraq" Bush on this election as the majority of the population thinks that we were mislead and that Bush did a poor job handling it.

As for Kerry's voting record I think he will wait until the debates to defend himself (and he has a reasonable defense for the 87 billion dollars. He voted for it if it under the deal that the money would come from the 'top 1%' and against it when it would come from the middle class.).

I think Kerry would've defended himself already if it seemed to effect him. So far, despite all the negative ads and attacks, Kerry has seemed to just gain momentum. I think he will continue to do so as the months roll on.

Of course I'm a communist.

I agree with your comments about Nader though.

If Bush had an acceptable foreign policy and military strategy I would probably vote Nader again.

DMW

I don't mean to imply that Kerry should ignore Iraq, as it seems to be the most important issue to most people in this election, but I just don't think he has much footing to argue, as he started beating the war drums to go into Iraq long before W ever took office. If this was Howard Dean, he could have free reign to preach on about the war all he wants, but Kerry voted for the war, so to criticize it necessitates admitting to making a mistake, of which he's yet to do. All I mean is that Kerry would be more successful trumping up the issues Edwards was talking about, as Kerry won't have much credibility come November in regards to the war. There are just too many quotes and video clips from interviews in Kerry's past that the Republicans are sure to make very public.

I can't wait for the vice presidential debates.

Miakal

I would say that Bush is more in the spotlight in regards to the war than Kerrys one vote. The American people are fickle, and a mind numbing attack on Kerry will just result in apathy from many conservatives and 'swing voters' like it did when Bob Dole tried it against Clinton in 96.

I know what you are saying though. I agree. He's wide open here.

Maybe Kerry wants Bush to challenge him on Iraq so he can start hitting some more back?