Commercialising indecent values

Reilly

The trend at the moment, is hip hop. Bling bling, pimp, hoes, gats, etc.

But to be honest, most of what comes with hip hop, the style, the lingo, everything, is truely indecent. Objectifying women, killing, drug dealing, glorifying material items, its not the kinda music I'd like my kid to be listening to (If I had one, of course).

Yesterday I saw some commercial on TV, it was the only time Ive ever seen it and I havent seen it since, but some dude who resembled Ludacris (It wasnt him, just some guy trying to look like him) was walking around this room with a robe on, a pimp hat, with the cane 'magic stick' in his hand, oh and there was a chick he was keeping in control on an animal leash. I thought it was kinda funny at first, because I assumed it was a joke, it looked like a ridiculous commercial for some upcoming spoof or something. Then he sat down in a big chair, he crossed his legs and the girl started rubbing his shoes. He nodded his head to some beats playing in the background, and then the name of this shoe company came up on screen, and it ended. No joke. No comedy.

The message here is that if you buy these hip hop shoes you'll get some bitch on a leash who will lick your feet or anything else, you'll also get a hat and a cane, and a big chair. What else would a guy need?

Im not just blaiming urban culture here, because this has been happening (As far back as I know) since the 80s, when magic naked silicone women were appearing all over Poison videos and album covers.

But now the hip hop trend is way beyond half naked women. At the last MTV awards I can remember, 50 Cent and Snoop had 2 women each on leashes, thats incredibly wrong. For the kids, think of the children. Its nobody's business if this happens in a seedy hotel, but not being broadcasted across the world and being repeated in the daytime.

Now, the question is, is it harming anyone? Am I being a whiney gimp? Do I make sense?

I can just imagine that many kids are being influenced by this, or are they. I still dont really know.

Give it time

Papa Shango

I think your making perfect sense.

Umm.. thats all i can say really.. there isnt a single element in that post that anybody can refute.


Naturally its going to progress into Does rap influence gun killings etc.. but we'll let it evolve naturally (with a little shove from me of course)

IRALB

Nothing, absolutely nothing.

No just kidding, you can't refute this post, it bleeds the truth.

Reilly

But does it?

I know the message is wrong, but is it actually harming anyone?

It seems like the job which a pimp carries out are forgotten, its seen as comical. Killing people is seen as empty threats or something that isnt serious.

Y'see, on the other hand, the popstars in the middle of this are promoting all the wrong stuff, but theyre getting off with it because no-ones actually taking it seriously. Its lucky, really lucky, but if its not harming anyone then EY- whats the harm?

The normal adolescent white kid wants objectified chicks all over him no-matter whether Ludacris gets this treatment or not, its become human nature.

Give it time

AudioSavior

I wouldn't care if my kids ( when I have them) watch or listen to that kind of stuff. I know well enough to teach them what is right and what is not. I will teach them to be smart enough to know the difference from right and wrong. I can't imagine letting my kids be as clueless as that to be influenced by what they see on tv that has such obvious wrong morals.

If kids are that easily influenced, I wouldn't blame music or tv for any of it. I would blame the parents or lack of parenting. I also find it interesting that America is what is mostly affected by all of this.

How many times do you see people blaming TV or whatever as the main reason for violence in todays society.

I fine very little offensive because I choose to watch or listen to it. The only thing I do find offensive are the people who go on to blame everyone and everything under the sun for the problems and try to censor everything they don't like.

Good Ol' JP

i agree with Ida. Mick Foley adresses this in foley is good. When he's talking about wrestling being responcable for deaths of people trying the moves when its actually parents. Check it out if you havent read it, not as wrestling focused as the first one an shows you how brilliant he really is.

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If I am no one, and no one is perfect, then I am perfect.

Reilly

Ida makes some valid points which I can relate to, but generally I have always disagreed with.

Whereas some people claim that the general public are desparate to blaim certain organisations, those organisations blaim the public in order to shift the guilt off them. Wrestling (And Foley) is at biggest fault here.

You cant tell me that a parent can stop a child being influenced by something such as wrestling. If a kid see's it on TV, it doesnt matter how many times a parent tells them not to copy it, its irrelevant, the kid will always see it as cool and harmless.

I still remember seeing for the first time, Bubba Ray powerbombing someone through a table, and within 5 minutes later I positioned our little coffee table beside my couch, and threw myself (fell backwards) off the arm of the chair and through it. I coulda been 12 at that time, and me and my friends did much more dangerous stuff then that. My parents warned me all the time about wrestling, when I was really young I wasnt allowed to watch it, but this only made me want to discover the wrestling moves more and do them on friends.

Some things just cant be repressed.

Give it time

AudioSavior

Doing harm to yourself because you are a moron is not the same as being influenced by something on tv. You knew damn well it was wrong to do what you did but you made the choice to do it out of stupidity. Obviously your parents didn't teach you well enough or you would have known to value things that are not yours and to have enough common sense not to do something so stupid. If I had of done that I would have been in deep trouble and I knew better then to do something like that.

I did a lot of crazy things like doing stunts etc but I didn't do them because I was influenced by anyone or anything I saw. I did them because I was an idiot at the time and wanted to do it. I made the choice knowing it was wrong and could get hurt. I took a risk. I knew the right and wrong of it.

Papa Shango

I think your onto something there Reilly.

I also used to emulate the wrestling i saw on TV, although fortunately for me it was the more family friendly era of the WWF.. so the most extreme thing i would do was do a Randy Savage elbow from the arm of my couch onto a poor victimized pillow.

I think its safe to assume i would have involved tables if that was the era that captured my imagination at souch an impressionable age.


Its no different to a kid watching football on the TV then going out and playing football with friends.. its also no different to how we never see kids playing tennis here unless its wimbledon fortnight.

Television definately influences... although i also feel its down to the mental state of the viewer on how he absorbs and re-enacts what he sees on TV... as in the case when a boy killed someone by doing a crossface on them a few years ago. I dont blame wrestling entirely for that, nor do i blame the parents... i put it down to the mental state of the offender. If wrestling was to blame then every single wrestling fan would be convicted of Violent attacks or even Murder.

AudioSavior

Mental factor does play a part when a crime is commited to that degree but if you have common sense then you should know how to use it.

Ya I gave someone a DDT once and I knew it was going to hurt. I also could have just punched him in the face a few times and got the same result. I didn't do it because I was an idiot and said, gee I wanna be like the wrestlers and do what they do!