Gay Marriage? - Should it be legal?

Miakal

A normal childhood to me is one with love and good values. Getting a lot of friends and getting popular isn't a good value, it's a waste of time. And you can't tell me that gay parents couldn't bring love and good values to the home.

And if you think having gay parents is a bad value then you've already got your ticket to dumbassville, and you should already be aware that your parents majorly messed you up to think that way, and you should wish that your parents were homosexual instead of quasi-hetrosexual.

Woodifvh

Good topic Miakal, I read it in the SF Chronicle earliar today and was personally disgusted by Frist's comments.

I personally have several homosexual friends, three of which I consider dear and valued friends. None of them are a risk, abnormal, or a detriment to society. They all possess positive qualities just as most heterosexuals do. They all hold regular jobs and live responsible well meaning lives. The fact that people feel that it is wrong, can lead to crimes and demean society in general is bogus and unrealistic. Why does it matter to people so much how someone lives there lives? Homosexuals don't hurt anybody anymore than a heterosexual does. The only reason it isn't considered acceptable is because most people haven't actually met a gay person or really gotten to know one. Everybody is different and thats the way life is. People need to get over it and realize that homsexuals aren't going to destroy the human race or be a detriment to society.

As far as child adoption goes it doesn't matter if a child has gay parents or not. Sure it maybe hard socially, but if our society could ever grow up and parents taught there children proper values then it wouldnt' matter. If a gay couple can provide a child with food, shelter and most of all LOVE then why the hell shouldn't they be allowed to adopt a child. There sure as hell are plenty of fucked up kids coming out of heterosexual relationships so nooone can use that as a reason against homosexual adoption of children.

LOVE IS WHAT MATTERS, NOT WHAT SEX YOU ARE!!!!

To all of you against homosexuals all I have to say is just talk to one gay person and you will realize that they are no different than yourself. There are bad eggs in all walks of live, regardless of race, religion, sex and ethinicity, its not just limited to homosexuals. The idea that gay sex would lead to crime, as Frist insinuates, is unbelievable, I can't believe someone like this is the majority leader of the senate of the United States of America. But at least we got rid of Strom Thurmond, finally, not that I wished for him to die, but his views were that of a bigot and highly outdated, but thats for another topic.

Oh and for you Mr. Hyde, just remember that ignorance is bliss but not always the truth.

Dusk

no.

Mr. Hyde

[quote:post_uid0="Woodifvh"]I can't believe someone like this is the majority leader of the senate of the United States of America. But at least we got rid of Strom Thurmond, finally, not that I wished for him to die, but his views were that of a bigot and highly outdated, but thats for another topic.

Oh and for you Mr. Hyde, just remember that ignorance is bliss but not always the truth.[/quote:post_uid0]
Well believe it. It's comforting that we have at least a few intelligent people running our country.

And what truth are you speaking of? I stated my opinion. I didn't pull any of that sh*t out of the Bible.

Shane

[quote:post_uid0="Miakal"][/quote:post_uid0]
Miakal: "Shane, the difficulty lies in what is abnormal and what is not. Are you trying to create a perfect race of men?"

Huh? You give me far to much credit.

"Does an abnormality such as homosexuality really mean the end of civilization?"

Huh? Did I even remotely suggest that?

"I think you get into difficult grounds when you start calling something "abnormal" and "normal", because who defines that? Does your government? Your religion? Your leaders?"

Really all of the above, but only when you get into the non-private issue of marriage and children. It's interesting that all major religions are against sodomy. Now unlike them (I'm not religious), I don't think it's a sin since it's apparent they can't help it. But religions historically tend to oppose things that are maladaptive and practically destructive. Plus the vast majority of people (my unscientific sample) are viscerally disgusted by buggery, so we don't want it paraded in our faces.

"Is it abnormal to be black?"

Huh? If, you're implying the radical homosexual lobby's argument that they deserve civil rights, then by all means they should not be arrested or lynched. But I would no sooner allow a couple of black "men" to marry that whites.

"Is it abnormal to be under a certain height or over a certain weight?"

Absolutely. Dwarfs have a developmental defect and have serious physcial disabilities, and obesity is one of our worst killers.

"The fact that you put together the marriage of same sexes and that of shoes makes me question your intention altogether. Is that really what the issue is? That's insane. The two have nothing to do with one another."

Sure they do, though I was being a bit facetious as to shoes. But the point was that, based on the article I excerpted, the shrinks now call sodomy "normal" due to political pressure and the homosexuals take that as a mandate for Govt approval of their deviancy. So, fast forward, if these shrinks succeed in "normalizing" pedophilia, fetishism, etc., do these perversions also deserve Govt approval?

"As for a child being raised by a same sex couple having psychological damage, where is the proof? Look at every serial killer on the planet. Where they serial killers because their parents where of the same sex?"

I doubt the sample of sodomite "families" is large enough to draw any conclusions.

"No. In fact, their parents were a legal, "normal" opposite sex married couple.

"The fact is you cannot define normal or abnormal. And you cannot tell me that a child will suffer damage from having a homosexual couple raising him. You cannot draw that conclusion, it's impossible.

"Many children of normal family enviroments have fucked up lives which are a lot more messed up then any family which has it's core in homosexuality."

It's obvious that a child needs a mother and father. Does that mean anyone who doesn't will become a mass murderer ? I have no idea. Is that the only standard for a healthy, well-adjusted child? Should a child be exposed to the rampant promiscuity Ms. Charen describes? What does that predict for his or her future relationships?

Mr. Hyde

You hit the nail right on the head.

Woodifvh

Real intelligent Dusk. Very open minded, at least Hyde has his views.

And Hyde what I said towards you was because you said you didn't understand how people can be homosexual, thats all. Not meaning to offend you, but everything or most everything you've said is based on ignorance not fact.

skinartia

Naturally though, as in almost all discussions/debates, Hyde will state that he's right & everyone else is wrong. Looks like Shane is already following in his footsteps.

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"I hate every bone in your body but mine.
I can't wait 'til I can hate you tonight."

~Poison

Freak

Skinartia, get off their backs, it's a debate and they both have very strong opinions. I didn't see Hyde or Shane "state that (they're) right" once, maybe I missed something. I disagree with both of them too, but I'm actually enjoying the debate.

As for the topic, the thought of gay marriages being a "step backwards" for human evolution is just absurd. There was a poll in yesterday's newspaper, and all these people were talking about how it's the start of the apocalypse, and how eventually no one will be having kids anymore. Some people are just fucked.

Quack Handle

There's a reason why Same-sex couples can't make babies, you know. It wouldn't be fair on a child at all, because they will be teased, and grow up very confused themselves.