[Miakal]

Originally Posted by The Dude

Well I don't see how it proves them to be bisexual. But even if they were bisexuals, then God wasn't a fan of it...obviously. I mean He literally torched the town.

And you mention rape and force, but it was man on man rape and force.

Because the men were more then willing to fuck Lot's daughters. A true homosexual will not fuck a girl, ever. They can't. That's not what a homosexual is.

Human sexuality includes a lot of things. Some people enjoy getting off by forcing people to have sex with them. It's a classifacation. That's what this story is about. The men of the town would've fucked women, by raping them, so I think it's fairly obvious that it's not a story about homosexuality.

[The Dude]

Originally Posted by Miakal

Because the men were more then willing to fuck Lot's daughters. A true homosexual will not fuck a girl, ever. They can't. That's not what a homosexual is.

Human sexuality includes a lot of things. Some people enjoy getting off by forcing people to have sex with them. It's a classifacation. That's what this story is about. The men of the town would've fucked women, by raping them, so I think it's fairly obvious that it's not a story about homosexuality.

"And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
And said, "I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.
And they said, Stand back."

Genesis 19:5-9

They never show any signs of wanting Lot's daughters. They tell Lot to stand back, basically to get to the men (angels).

[Dakstang]

Originally Posted by Miakal

Because the men were more then willing to fuck Lot's daughters. A true homosexual will not fuck a girl, ever. They can't. That's not what a homosexual is.

Human sexuality includes a lot of things. Some people enjoy getting off by forcing people to have sex with them. It's a classifacation. That's what this story is about. The men of the town would've fucked women, by raping them, so I think it's fairly obvious that it's not a story about homosexuality.

No they would not accept Lot's daughters. They wanted the Angels who happened to be men. They turned down Lot's offer of his daughters.

[Miakal]

But they did want Lot's daughters and they were willing to go to them until the angels rescued Lot. The fact that Lot offered them, having known these people, displays it.

[The Dude]

Umm...Miakal they rejected his daughters. They had no interest in them. Right after Lot tells them to have his daughters instead, the men actually threaten Lot saying that they would deal worse with Lot than they would with the men-angels. After this the angels pull Lot into the house and smote the men.

They weren't gonna come in and bang his daughters. They were gonna attack the household.

[Dakstang]

Genesis 19:6-11.

"So Lot went out to them through the doorway, shut the door behind him, 7 and said, “Please, my brethren, do not do so wickedly! 8 See now, I have two daughters who have not known a man; please, let me bring them out to you, and you may do to them as you wish; only do nothing to these men, since this is the reason they have come under the shadow of my roof.”
9 And they said, “Stand back!” Then they said, “This one came in to stay here, and he keeps acting as a judge; now we will deal worse with you than with them.” So they pressed hard against the man Lot, and came near to break down the door. 10 But the men reached out their hands and pulled Lot into the house with them, and shut the door. 11 And they struck the men who were at the doorway of the house with blindness, both small and great, so that they became weary trying to find the door."

Where do see any hint there that they would have taken his daughter's? When he offered them they said "Stand back!" and tried to go through the door to get to the men angels. It was only after that the angels rescued Lot.

[The Dude]

Thanks for the different translation. I even have a hard time with my King James Bible on occasion. ;)

[Miakal]

A) Why am I arguing over this?
B) It isn't clear at all what they want. It sounds to me like they want it all. Again, they wanted to rape the angels. What part of it is confusing to you? That's not homosexuality. Men who rape one another in prison are not homosexuals.

[The Dude]

Originally Posted by Miakal

A) Why am I arguing over this?
B) It isn't clear at all what they want. It sounds to me like they want it all. Again, they wanted to rape the angels. What part of it is confusing to you? That's not homosexuality. Men who rape one another in prison are not homosexuals.

We're talking about a town of people here that God wanted to smote before the men were even hitting on the angels. Something had been happening throughout the whole town to piss God off like that. And since the men ask for Lot's male guests and reject his daughters, it's obvious that they were homosexuals.

[Miakal]

They don't reject God's daughters. They just hammer into the house. They didn't directly reject anyone.

There's no mention in Genesis 19 of homosexuality. Just rape.