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If you are still here then you will probably have an idea of what the proposesed rule is about. Its to limit the number of foreign players in each team to five.
Despite it being illegial Sepp Blatter is still trying to push it through. I dont see any valid arguement for it to be introdecuded whereas there are countless for it not to be introduced. One being the quality of football will take a drastic hit. If this rule is employed in every FIFA represented country then Alex Hleb could be off to Belerus, Carlos Tevez could be off to Argentina & they will be replaced by League Two quality players.
Its simple, if the player is good enough he will make it to the top. Forcing teams to play six home grown players is discrimination against non nationals & promotes lazyness amoungst youth players because they know they have a much better chance of playing.
I'll use France as an example for my next point. The league teams are not to blame for a lack of quality players coming through. In France they were winning nothing & going nowhere so they improved the facilitys from School boys first. Pretty soon they were World & European Champions. In England the young players dont get the right training until they get into an Academy, by that time they are in their teens & are far behind some of Europe's other youngsters.
Before someone thinks they are being smart & says im only against this because i support Arsenal lets compare numbers as of the season just ended. In the Man Utd academy there are 30 players. 11 foreign and 19 English. At Arsenal we have 31 with 26 English and only 5 foreign. The reseves are closer in numbers as Man Utd Reserves consist of 19 players, 13 English and 6 foriegn. Arsenal reserves consist of 28 players, 18 English and 10 foriegn.
I used Man Utd because they are always quick to say they have produced loads of English players. Newsflash, since the group of Beckham, Neville etc Man Utd have only produced one player who could be considered an England International. Wes Brown. Everyone else Man Utd bought for fee's ranging from 18m to 30m. Arsenal meanwhile have produced David Bentley & Ashley Cole off the top of my head. Steve Sidwell was looking like getting into the International team but then he moved to the Chelsea reserves.
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I'm not sure what this would mean for the UK, as I interpreted it as the 6 would need to be eligible to play for the national team? Therefore, would that mean Scottish, Welsh, and Northern Irish players would be classed as foreigners?
In theory I'd support the idea, but there is too much red tape, namely the EU regulations, to make this a viable option for football.
I would assume the other British countries would be classed as foreign for this purpose.
I support this idea theoretically, the amount of foreign playes in this country is a joke so something needs to be done to support the development of young British players.
There's a lot of side issues to be worked out though. The way other countries seem to routinely give out passports to other nationals is an area of concern as they could attempt to work around the system that way
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It is quite amusing how the two Arsenal fans are SO against it. I couldn't really care either way as United comfortably have enough English players in their squad to have six in at any time.
I doubt it'll actually happen anyways and I think it's probably for the best that it doesn't because as said, the Premier League probably wouldn't be quite as good as it currently is without all it's foreign star attractions.
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But Bladder doesn`t even attempt to cover his motives. He contends that having an all English final in this year`s Champions League is damaging. Strangely, he didn`t find 2003s all Italian Final a problem, nor 2001s all Spanish final. Well, simple suggestion Sepp, let`s go back to having one team per country competing Europe`s premier competition. Make the Champions League for Champions again. Problem solved. Of course, having the likes of Barcelona, Chelsea, Arsenal and Juventus excluded from next year`s competition would harm your profit margins, but hey, you`ve got the interests of football at your heart here haven`t you? Oh I see, its international football that also concerns you so deeply. (Another of your money spinning cash cows to be milked). Maybe if you didn`t insist on packing out the international calendar with so many useless (but money spinning) friendlies, players would actually get their desire for representing their country back and actually play like they give a toss. If you could unwrap your sweaty palms from around the udders for a second, you might see a generation of footballers who retire early from international football, under perform in tournaments due to burn out.
Still I don`t see how the 6+5 ruling will benefit international teams. Sure, more homegrown players will get a chance, but if they`re not good enough to break into their teams without this institutionally prejudice golden handshake, aren`t we just packing teams with average or below par players at the expense of quality? Brilliant, international managers will have more crap players to choose from. How does this enhance the quality of your product Mr. Bladder? What it does do is denigrate the quality of domestic competition greatly, to the point that people will not continue to line your pockets by paying extortionate sums to watch mediocre football. This 'throw s**t at a wall and see how much sticks` policy simply cannot work. It will not even the playing field with regards to domestic competition either, if anything it will widen the gap. If this ruling goes through, then Chelsea, ourselves, United and Arsenal will simply buy up the Youngs, Agbonlohors and Richards` of this world and stockpile them. With the price of indigenous players massively inflated, these clubs will not be able to afford even the most average replacements. So the quality of the overall league goes down and the megabucks "big four" widen the chasm.
Let me posit a scenario for you. Let us say this ruling was in in 2003. Arsène Wenger has to tell Cesc Fabregas, "you`re an excellent player, but I cannot play you. So Steve Sidwell will play and I will sell you back to Barcelona." Right, so Sidwell gets handed a place in the team, he enjoys an unmerited run and gets picked for England. Excellent. England play Spain, where Steve Sidwell comes up against Cesc Fabregas in the centre of midfield. Now, at some point, for the national side to prosper, Steve Sidwell has to outshine Fabregas and England have to overcome their foreign counterparts. How does the 6+5 rule help? Eventually, Fabregas` superior ability will supersede Sidwell`s and the whole exercise will have been a waste of time. By handing them guaranteed places in the starting line up, without the player having to work remotely hard or compete, where is the incentive for Sidwell to improve and make strides as a player. If I knew that, upon leaving school, I would be guaranteed a cushy job irregardless of my qualifications or ability, I would not bother going to get a degree or even try and build up my CV.
Thats only about 1/5 of the post.
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