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England's World Cup qualifier in Ukraine on Saturday will be shown exclusively live to subscribers on the internet who will pay at least £4.99.
All previously broadcast England matches have been available on TV.
Kentaro - an international agency appointed by the Ukrainian Football Federation - originally sold the UK rights for the game to Setanta.
But after the pay-TV firm collapsed, digital sport specialist Perform was appointed to stream the match online.
The match will be shown on the website ukrainevengland.com and viewers will be able to subscribe to it using PayPal, the electronic payment service.
England have already qualified for the 2010 World Cup, winning all eight of their group matches.
It is understood none of the traditional broadcasters were willing to pay the asking price to screen the game, which kicks off at 1715 BST.
But the news has angered supporters who want to watch the action on television.
Peter Silverstone, managing director of Kentaro, told BBC Sport: "You will watch as you would any other streaming on the internet, like YouTube or the BBC iPlayer - there will be a pop-up player that will show the match in a very good quality stream."
Former England boss Sven-Goran Eriksson is part of the studio team for the match, while Kentaro has promised "a top commentary team".
The cost of watching the game was being advertised on Monday in the Daily Express as £4.99 if viewers signed up before midnight on Wednesday.
Charges rise to £9.99 for those who subscribe on Thursday and Friday, and £11.99 on Saturday.
Similar prices were advertised on the website of the Daily Telegraph, which promised a "high-quality stream available on Mac and PC".
Silverstone insisted the project was "commercially viable".
"We have a huge marketing effort behind us with the various newspaper groups that will promote the match on their websites," he said.
"Commercially this will work and genuinely offers an exciting opportunity for us. We wouldn't embark on this project if we didn't feel it had strategic long-term value, this isn't a one-off shot."
Silverstone said Kentaro would take a maximum of one million subscribers for the match - which he said equates to about 2.5 million viewers - because this would be the "safe number to stop at to ensure the optimal broadcast".
The Odeon cinema chain will show the game live throughout the country, including at their flagship cinema at Leicester Square, but the match will not be available in pubs.
Football Association spokesman Adrian Bevington admitted: "We would obviously like to see the game broadcast to as many people as possible" but insisted the matter was out of his organisation's hands.
"These are the rights of the Ukrainian FA and the agents they've appointed to sell them," he told BBC Sport.
"A traditional TV platform would be ideal to broadcast the game but it's not the case. It's not in our control."
ITV has the rights to home England games and, under the terms of their contract, has taken over Setanta's broadcast rights for away friendlies.
However, that aspect of the deal does not cover away qualifying games, and neither the BBC, ITV, Sky nor Channel Five made a successful bid for the match.
Perform streamed Manchester City and Spurs matches in the Uefa Cup last year when a TV deal could not be agreed - charging about £4 per game - and Bevington insisted: "We're obviously confident in the company that has got the rights - they're a very professional company".
However, travelling England fan Mark Perryman said the fact the match was available only on the internet was "disastrous and an outrage."
"A World Cup qualifier should be available for everybody on free-to-air TV," Perryman told BBC Sport.
"It seems to me there's a very simple solution - Fifa and Uefa should insist as a condition of entry that all nations sell their games to terrestrial stations, whether its the home or away market."
England defender Rio Ferdinand said he thought the broadcasting of the match marked "a good step forward" though.
"I read that online advertising has taken over from TV, so that tells you something about where it's going in terms of the digital world," he told BBC Sport.
"So I'm sure it'll be the way forward and in the future it'll probably be the reality. I think it's a good way to gauge how many people are interested."
And Andrew Croker, executive chairman of Perform, insisted England fans would "embrace" the internet broadcast.
"I think consumers are pretty sophisticated now, particularly in the UK, where we have been in the vanguard of adopting new technology," he told BBC Sport.
"I think people want a choice - the chance to watch football in a different way. This is pioneering, very exciting and I think people will enjoy it."
This is pretty funny (from a non English persons point of view). But I supose lots of fans aren't going to be happy about this. Good job they've already qualified otherwise I think there would have been more of an outrage.
Yeah there definitely would have been. It's basically a friendly from our point of view now, but I'm still a bit annoyed about it. It would have been something to watch with no Prem on.
Ah well, we still got Argentina/Peru lads.
Still got Argentina/Peru.
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As Crocker said, I know a few pubs that will still have this on anyway so yes, the big picture here is ridiculous but from my own point of view it's not an issue.
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As Crocker said, I know a few pubs that will still have this on anyway so yes, the big picture here is ridiculous but from my own point of view it's not an issue.
Actually not so many pubs will have it on.
I was talking to the landlord of my local last night nd he was saying the only foreign channel what has it on is some Polish channel, apparently its pretty hrd to get hold of the card for this channel.
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Yeah, I doubt there will be many pubs who will be showing it from the internet. I was under the impression that public houses and bars needed a licence of some kinds to show sport? I remember one of my firends asking why there was a little pint glass on the bottom of the screen, and that was the answer given.
Also I've just read the T&C of the site:
Quote:
You agree that you will:
(a) use the Site (and the Link, where applicable) strictly for your own viewing purposes and you agree not to (and not to permit, allow or authorise any third party to) exploit or otherwise use the Content, the Site and the Link (where applicable) for any commercial purposes whatsoever. This means, for example, that you must not charge any third party for viewing the Match and that you cannot use the Site to attract others to buy goods or services from you or anyone else;
isn't that effectivly what a pub does?
I'd say the best chance of your local showing it is via a foreign channel.
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Doesn't the little pint glass show on Sky Sports normally? I thought that was their version of the red button symbol for football matches. Having said that, I can't remember the last time I watched a Sky match on a home TV in a long time, so maybe not!
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They have the pint glass on the tv screen to show that the match s on in the pub legit, if the red button is on the screen in a pub it means they have proberly got sky upstairs and have illegally wired it up in the pub. The reason they do this is because it costs a lot more to have sky in a pub than in a living headquarters.
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