What If Things Had Been Different (1985 onwards)

Millar13 · 09-09-2009, 07:40 PM

WHAT IF...?

- This will be almost a back in time Booker, starting from 1985 and working forwards. How I work angles will be different, but the actual facts of history will remain the same (e.g.; WCW will go out of business etc)

- I will focus on Pay Per Views but will include some back information on how feuds/matches built up in between PPVs

- I will be focusing on the WWF & NWA/WCW but will also pay some attention to Japan and the Independents now and again

- If there is anything that you like/don't like/or think should be added then please speak up...this is about re-writing history as we know it.

Necro · 09-09-2009, 07:44 PM

Difficult task. So are you creating whole new gimmicks for the guys coming up etc?

Millar13 · 09-09-2009, 07:54 PM

For some people yeah...obviously for some of the greats, it will be f*cking stupid to try and re-package them. Some people though, I will give them arguably the chances and image that would have clearly got them to the top.

Necro · 09-09-2009, 07:55 PM

Well this peaks my interest. I'll be reading.

Millar13 · 09-09-2009, 09:26 PM

World Wrestling Federation presents

WRESTLEMANIA I

March 31st 1985

Madison Square Gardens

New York, New York

Tito Santana def. The Executioner (via Submission)

King Kong Bundy w/ Jimmy Hart def. Special Delivery Jones (match won in 23 seconds)

After the obliteration of Special Delivery Jones, King Kong Bundy stood big and mean in the ring as his manager Jimmy Hart was quick to ask for a microphone as he delivered a speech or rather self sermon the the Madison Square Garden crowd

“I'm the mouth from the South Jimmy Hart and I am here today in New York City to exclaim my joy to the powers of be of managing two of the finest, most capable, most skilled and most dominant men in the industry today. Already you all have witnessed King Kong Bundy win a a record time of 9 seconds and proved to you all that he truly is a man to be reckoned with. Later on tonight, I will show the entire wrestling world why I am the best manager in this business when Greg Valentine retains the Intercontinental Championship tonight. I want your respect! Hell I demand that all of you respect me as the greatest manager ever in professional wrestling!” - Jimmy Hart

Ricky Steamboat def. Matt Borne (via pinfall)

Brutus Beefcake w/ Johnny Valiant def. David Sammartino w/ Bruno Sammartino (via pinfall)

Greg Valentine w/ Jimmy Hart def. The Junkyard Dog (retains WWF Intercontinental Title)

- Junkyard Dog was clearly the better wrestler, both technically and as a showman in the match and at many times the MSG crowd thought he was going to win the title belt. However, Junkyard Dog was cost many times by Jimmy Hart. After Hart found himself sent to back Junkyard thought he had the match wrapped up when King Kong Bundy came from the back and raked his eyes whilst the referee's back was turned that allowed for Valentine to claim the cheap victory

- Junkyard Dog showed his clear disdain, and interrupted the celebration of Greg Valentine as he sent Valentine, Bundy and the returning Jimmy Hart all over the top rope as he shouted obscenities and clearly made his feelings known

Nikolai Volkoff & The Iron Sheik def. The US Express w/ Lou Albano (retain WWF Tag Team Championships)

- As Volkoff and The Iron Sheik both celebrated in the ring, the team of The British Bulldogs; Davey Boy Smith & Dynamite Kid appeared for the first time during a WWF event. Both men still very young in age just exited from the back and stood at the mainstage seen sharing words as they pointed and looked down at the ring towards the current Tag Team Champions

Andre The Giant def. Big John Studd w/ Bobby Heenan ($15,000 Body Slam Challenge)

Leilani Kai w/ The Fabulous Moolah def. Wendi Richter w/ Cyndi Lauper (retains WWF Women's Championship)

Roddy Piper & Paul Orndoff w/ Cowboy Bob Orton def. Hulk Hogan & Mr T. w/ Jimmy Snukka (Special Guest Referee Muhammad Ali)

- The main event of the first ever Wrestlemania can never be described as being boring. Managers for both sides got into a scrap of their own as both Snukka and Bob Orton went at each other so hard and couldn't be restrained. After countless warning, both men found themselves delivered knock out from the hands of special referee Muhammad Ali

- Although Orndoff looked out of place, when working with Piper he superior experience over Mr T allowed him to gain numerous advantages for his team. It was Mr. T's inexperience that cost him and Hogan as it was during a moment that Hulk came to Mr. T rescue that he found himself blind sided by Orndoff only allowing for Piper to lock a sleeper hold on Mr. T to win the match

- In the aftermath of the match, as Muhammad Ali raised the hands of both Orndoff and Piper he found himself assaulted by the duo only to be saved by a returning Hogan and Mr. T causing the winners to bail. At the end of the show it was clear that there was a lot of unfinished business between both parties

Millar13 · 09-10-2009, 08:12 PM

National Wrestling Alliance

{April-July}

-:: NWA WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP SCENE ::-

- Ric Flair having held the title belt since May 24th 1984 found himself effectively in a three way feud between “Superstar” Billy Graham and Magnum T.A. Due to the length of the feud spanning over approximately three months from mid-April to mid-July reasons for the battles seemed to change over-time although the fact that NWA World Heavyweight Championship was on the line was a good a reason as ever to continue

- Despite no fewer than ten titles matches (not all three men featured in each bout) the title belt only changed hands twice. In late May in a 30 minute iron man match, “Superstar” Billy Graham would defy the odds to get Flair in a Gutwrench into Bearhug and have Flair tap with 3 seconds left on the clock to get a final point on the board to take the score to 6-5 and become the NWA World Heavyweight Champion for the first time in his career

- The feud came to an end in mid-July as all three men met for one final time in a truly brilliant triple threat match (one that would fail to become PWI Match of the Year by one vote) that lasted almost a full 45 minutes. With all three men on top form, it was previous champion Ric Flair who managed to reclaim the belt and become the NWA World Heavyweight Champion for the 5th time in his career. Notably all three men shook hands at the end of the night

- Dusty Rhodes was impressing the world in NWA's Jim Crockett Promotions defeating Tully Blanchard for the NWA World Television Championship @ The Great American Bash. It was after this match, that led to the National Wrestling Alliance and their subsidiary Jim Crockett Promotions merging together in what was noted as the best business move for the future of wrestling thus giving the NWA the strength of two major PPV events a year

-:: NWA MID-TIER SCENE ::-

- “Road Warriors” Animal and Hawk were establishing themselves as a true tag-team dynasty including a number of memorable matches against the likes Minnesota Wrestling Crew, the Lightning Express, The Hollywood Blonds before finally managing to NWA National Tag Team Championships for the 5th time in an epic match against Krusher Krushchev & Ivan Koloff

- NWA National Heavyweight Champion Ron Garvin however he would experience the toughest match of his life in front of packed Illinois venue as he would lose the title to Ted DiBiase

- Larry Zybsko and Kamala had a 2 month run that culminated in a number of matches, that featured Zybsko rating local US talent whilst Kamala paid attention to foreign talent. The feud was poor rated due to the number of jobbers that seemed to involved in what could have easily been a more exciting feud

-:: OTHER INFO ::-

- Arn Anderson changes to a gimmick that involves him wearing a luchador style mask in the United States colours and calling himself “Hero Americano”. Due to the fact that the gimmick is still new, the judges are still very much reserved on what to think about the move

- Abdullah the Butcher would announce to the entire wrestling world that he would challenge anyone across the world to a match of Hardcore Rules. So far the only person to reply has been The Barbarian who lost to Abdullah after he was choked out in under ten minutes via the use of a steel chain

Millar13 · 09-11-2009, 12:58 PM

World Wrestling Federation

{April-July}

-:: WWF WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP SCENE ::-

- In the aftermath of Wrestlemania, Hulk Hogan's feud with Roddy Piper would very much continue to heat up. Mr. T didn't make another appearance after Wrestlemania, also Paul Orndoff was slowly phased out of the storyline as he would make way for “Cowboy” Bob Orton who was being given a large amount of attention and being seen very much as Piper's right hand man

- In early May in a similar fashion to the match at Wrestlemania both sides meet with Hulk Hogan & Jimmy Snukka going head to head with Roddy Piper & “Cowboy” Bob Orton. The match however, resulted in a Double Disqualification as both side took the battle outside the ring. Many critics accused Piper of deliberately doing, as on many occasions Bob Orton looked slightly out of place

- In mid-June, management attempting to take control of an already out of control situation set up a title match between Piper and Hogan. The match was a spectacle and with interference from both Snukka and Bob Orton both sides had their opportunities of breaking the deadlock. The match was won by Piper, via qualification as Muhammad Ali returned for the first time since Wrestlemania as he knocked out Piper with one punch. However, due to the match ending via disqualification, Hulk Hogan retained the World Title

- With Muhammad Ali very much part of “Team Hogan” the feud having last seven months so far was still continuing to go strong, to the great excitement of all fans of the World Wrestling Federation

-:: WWF MID-TIER SCENE ::-

- The hunt for the Intercontinental Title was allowing for a lot of talent to be recognized, and even considered as being worthy of a push into the main event scene. Greg Valentine would go on to finally lose the belt in early April in a Wrestlemania re-match against The Junkyard Dog. However, the reign would only last a week as Barry Windham of “The US Express” would go on to win the title the next week and hold onto the belt all the way till the end of May

- Mike Rotundo, partner to Windham in “The US Express” made it obvious that either Windham was to vacate the title and focus on their team once more or he would look elsewhere for a partner. Windham vacated the title, and it would be made available in a four way match on the last week of June in a match between The Junkyard Dog, Tito Santana, “Macho Man” Randy Savage and Greg Valentine. Valentine looked to have won the title, but it was Junkyard Dog who finished the night the victor (pinning Santana a second before Valentine pinned Savage) winning the Intercontinental Title for the 2nd Time in his career

- In the Tag Team seen the team of Nikolai Volkoff & The Iron Sheik would continue to reign supreme never losing the WWF Tag Team Championships during this four month period post-Wrestlemania. The team would face some tough opposition with notable challengers being “The US Express” (after Barry Windham vacated the Intercontinental Title) and a new team managed by Jimmy Hart featuring King Kong Bundy & George “The Animal” Steele in a team that was known as “The Freakz Of Nature”. During this time “The British Bulldogs” continued to impress and were seen as being the team that Volkoff and Sheik should really worry about over the coming months

-:: OTHER INFO ::-

- Leilani Kai's feud with Wendy Richter would be short-lived as Richter would leave the WWF after a disagreement with management. Kai and Moolah would instead go head to head despite clear disinterest from the audience

- Ricky Steamboat expressed an interest in taking on Abdullah the Butcher but is informed that the match can only occur under a WWF roof. Discussions continue

- Andre “The Giant” is adamant he should be involved in the WWF Championship scene, and rumors spread that an ultimatum has been made the first of its kind in professional wrestling

Millar13 · 09-16-2009, 05:39 PM

WHAT IF...

...HULK HOGAN HAD DIED IN A CAR CRASH IN AUGUST 1985?

1953-1985

HULK HOGAN R.I.P.

Millar13 · 09-16-2009, 06:20 PM

FAST TRACK

(August 1985-November 1988)

National Wrestling Alliance

-:: NWA WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP SCENE ::-

- Ric Flair and Dusty Rhodes would go on to have one of the most notable and violent feuds the wrestling world has ever witnessed in a period that lasted from August 1985 up to January 1987 meaning that the feud lasted 18 months in total. Although this meant that the NWA World Heavyweight Champion only saw competition between two people its prestige went through the roof with Flair leaving an 8 time champion and Dusty leaving with the title as 3 time current world heavyweight champion

- After the end of the Flair-Rhodes saga, it was clear that large number of the NWA roster had become frustrated about having to wait in the wings. This led to the likes of “Hero Americano” (Arn Anderson), Magnum T.A. & Ron Jarvis

- It wasn't until Starcade 1987 that another memorable moment would take place, as Dusty Rhodes and Lex Luger competed in a hard fought contest that would eventually see Lex Luger become the world champion for the first time in his career

-:: NWA MID-TIER SCENE ::-

- Road Warriors Animal and Hawk would go on an unstoppable run, and end up going on a three year tenure as the NWA World Tag Team champions although the team became heels half way through, and actually took the retaining any way they could even if it meant by cheating. The team would finally lose the belts in October 1988 to a team of Dingo Warrior & Sting to the shock of the entire company

- Abdullah the Butcher and Ted DiBiase would also feud on and off for two years competing most for the NWA World Television Title and United States Championship, with Abdullah assuming heel with DiBiase as face. This feud would allow for audience to widely accept both men as serious contenders for future main event matches

- In late 1988 Andre the Giant would leave the WWF to join the NWA, only to be followed by The British Bull Dogs. The reason for the departures are unknown, although the rumor was WWF were focusing on home grown talent over foreign exports

horrorfan_1986 · 09-16-2009, 07:01 PM

Hero Americano? It's wrestlecrap at it's finest.
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