06-15-2009, 08:11 AM
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| Ex-Superstud
| Re: Do you have a problem with the Confederate flag?
Quote: | Lincoln never intended to stop slavery. The South seceded because they disagreed with the goverment and exercisted their right to secede. The main reason was the failure to expand slavery but it became far more than that when the Yankee government decided to not let the South secede. Then many other states seceded from the Union. | Reason #1 (as you say): Slavery.
What more is there to debate? Quote: |
Originally Posted by Dakstang Robert E. Lee himself didn't take sides until he was ordered to raise an Army against his own state (Virginia) and he refused and instead raised an Army to fight the Northern invaders. | I like Lee. He knew when to put the white flag in the air. Quote: |
Originally Posted by dakstang Lincoln knew he couldn't win the war based off of the South just seceding so that is why he made it about Slavery. As I said before, I can provide quite a few quotes from Lincoln in which he said he never intended to interfere with slavery and that the only reason he was doing it was to win the war.
So this superior attitude that the whole war was about slavery and the South was completely wrong is complete and utter bull shit. | You mean, like these: "I have never said anything to the contrary, but I hold that notwithstanding all this, there is no reason in the world why the negro is not entitled to all the natural rights enumerated in the Declaration of Independence, the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I hold that he is as much entitled to these as the white man. I agree with Judge Douglas he is not my equal in many respects---certainly not in color, perhaps not in moral or intellectual endowment. But in the right to eat the bread, without leave of anybody else, which his own hand earns, he is my equal and the equal of Judge Douglas, and the equal of every living man. " The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, "First Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Ottawa, Illinois" (August 21, 1858), p. 16. "We have, as all will agree, a free Government, where every man has a right to
be equal with every other man. In this great struggle, this form of Government
and every form of human right is endangered if our enemies succeed."
Abraham Lincoln
Source:August 22, 1864 - Speech to the One Hundred Sixty-sixth Ohio Regiment
"The slave-breeders and slave-traders, are a small, odious and detested
class, among you; and yet in politics, they dictate the course of all of you,
and are as completely your masters, as you are the master of your
own negroes."
Abraham Lincoln
Source: August 24, 1855 - Letter to Joshua Speed
"I believe this Government cannot endure, permanently half slave
and half free."
Abraham Lincoln Source: June 16, 1858 - House Divided Speech in Springfield, Illinois "One eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally
over the Union, but localized in the Southern part of it. These slaves constituted a
peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was, somehow, the
cause of the war."
Abraham Lincoln
Source:March 4, 1865 - Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address
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